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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://port25.technet.com/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Port 25: The Open Source Community at Microsoft : Open Source, Garrett Serack</title><link>http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Open+Source/Garrett+Serack/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Open Source, Garrett Serack</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2007.1 (Build: 40109.1145)</generator><item><title>Crafting a Better PHP Build Process on Windows – Part IV</title><link>http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/06/23/crafting-a-better-php-build-process-on-windows-part-iv.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:12:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">af7480c4-26b7-468d-87b0-2acebabb473d:26365</guid><dc:creator>Garrett Serack</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://port25.technet.com/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=26365</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/06/23/crafting-a-better-php-build-process-on-windows-part-iv.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;In&amp;nbsp;the &lt;A class="" href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/06/17/crafting-a-better-php-build-process-on-windows-part-iii.aspx" target=_blank mce_href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/06/17/crafting-a-better-php-build-process-on-windows-part-iii.aspx"&gt;previous&amp;nbsp;post&lt;/A&gt;, I discussed what it took to use PGO on the Windows PHP build. That led to me building automated build scripts...&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;H5&gt;&lt;U&gt;Automation as the root of all evil &lt;/U&gt;&lt;/H5&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;"Anything that can be done for you, automatically, can be done to you, automatically." - David C. Wyland&lt;/EM&gt; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;First, I had to get the entire dependency stack into the mix.&amp;nbsp;While some of the dependent libraries had VCProject files, some didn't.&amp;nbsp;Worse, even if they had them, you couldn't tell with a degree of certainty that they were compiled with the same settings which would enable them to take advantage of PGO optimization.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I began taking each project, updating (or creating, using the &lt;A class="" href="http://gstoolkit.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.aspx?title=Trace" target=_blank mce_href="http://gstoolkit.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.aspx?title=Trace"&gt;Trace&lt;/A&gt; and &lt;A class="" href="http://gstoolkit.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.aspx?title=mkProject" target=_blank mce_href="http://gstoolkit.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.aspx?title=mkProject"&gt;mkProject&lt;/A&gt; tools) the Visual C++ project files that would use the same settings as the rest, and eventually came up with a solution file that had 74 projects in it - some of the projects generated more than one binary. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Next, I had to actually automate the process of creating the vcproject files. Once you've got the right dependencies, the PHP build process cranks out over 30 binaries when you include the PHP extensions that get built as part of the core.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;After what seemed like a million compile-verify-tweak iterations, I had the tools that could generate VCProject files for the core PHP and all the extensions, provided it was all in the right place. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Next I wrote a .cmd batch script that went step-by-step, checking out the source, compiling the dependent libraries, building the PHP makefile, compiling PHP like the community did - and logging what it was doing, then switching to instrumentation, rebuilding the dependencies again, building the stack, PGO training it with test data and some applications (Wordpress, MediaWiki and phpBB) and then relinking it with optimization. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I got the .cmd script almost working, but it was fairly fragile.&amp;nbsp; At that point I &lt;A class="" href="http://fearthecowboy.com/post/Choosing-a-batch-scripting-language-on-Windows.aspx" target=_blank mce_href="http://fearthecowboy.com/post/Choosing-a-batch-scripting-language-on-Windows.aspx"&gt;decided to switch batch scripting strategies&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;and, in about a week, rewrote the batch script in &lt;A class="" href="http://fearthecowboy.com/?tag=/jscript" target=_blank mce_href="http://fearthecowboy.com/?tag=/jscript"&gt;JScript&lt;/A&gt;, which was far more flexible, and a lot more reliable. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;H5&gt;&lt;U&gt;What's next... &lt;/U&gt;&lt;/H5&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;"The future always arrives too fast... and in the wrong order." - Alvin Toffler &lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;During this process, I tweaked the build process that is generated quite a bit, adding in a few more applications to the PGO training, which cranks the performance up more and more. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Now, I can add in more scripts to assist with the training pretty trivially, but it still takes some effort to package up an entire application like MediaWiki or Wordpress and include it into the build process.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Even once I've added in an application, I end up doing a whole slew of comparative testing to see what impact it has on the final executables. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;As time goes by, I'm sure there will be&amp;nbsp;more tweaking to be done but, in all likelihood, any significant performance gains are going to be the result some modification of the PHP codebase itself.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://port25.technet.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=26365" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Interop/default.aspx">Interop</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Dynamic+Languages/default.aspx">Dynamic Languages</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Community/default.aspx">Community</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/PHP/default.aspx">PHP</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Open+Source/default.aspx">Open Source</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/_7E00_FeaturedPost/default.aspx">~FeaturedPost</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Garrett+Serack/default.aspx">Garrett Serack</category></item><item><title>Crafting a Better PHP Build Process on Windows – Part II</title><link>http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/06/11/crafting-a-better-php-build-process-on-windows-part-ii.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:10:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">af7480c4-26b7-468d-87b0-2acebabb473d:26189</guid><dc:creator>Garrett Serack</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://port25.technet.com/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=26189</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/06/11/crafting-a-better-php-build-process-on-windows-part-ii.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;I talked about getting started in building the PHP stack in my &lt;A class="" href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/06/09/optimizing-php-part-1.aspx" target=_blank mce_href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/06/09/optimizing-php-part-1.aspx"&gt;last post&lt;/A&gt;, now I'm taking it...&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;H5&gt;&lt;U&gt;One step further&lt;/U&gt;&lt;/H5&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;"We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time: premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Donald Knuth &lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;A chance conversation I had last summer at OSCON with &lt;A class="" href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/02/10/welcome-snakebite-the-newest-open-network-in-town.aspx" target=_blank mce_href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/02/10/welcome-snakebite-the-newest-open-network-in-town.aspx"&gt;Trent Nelson&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;- who was building Python on Windows -&amp;nbsp;planted the seeds of how to get PHP on Windows optimized further.&amp;nbsp; Trent was using the PGO features of Visual Studio to generate Python binaries that run faster.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Rather than spend a lot of time optimizing all the little bits of PHP itself, I thought that this would be an ideal way to improve the overall speed of PHP, provided I could find the right scenarios to train &lt;A class="" href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/05/29/migrating-php-apps-to-windows.aspx" target=_blank mce_href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/05/29/migrating-php-apps-to-windows.aspx"&gt;PHP&lt;/A&gt; with.&amp;nbsp; Little did I know that finding the right scenarios wasn't the hardest part. &lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;TD class="" vAlign=top bgColor=#c0c0c0&gt;&lt;A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profile-guided_optimization"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;What is PGO?&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt; &lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;EM&gt;(from Wikipedia) &lt;BR&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Profile-guided optimization&lt;/STRONG&gt; (&lt;B&gt;PGO&lt;/B&gt;) is a &lt;/EM&gt;&lt;A class="" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler" target=_blank mce_href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler"&gt;&lt;EM&gt;compiler&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;EM&gt; optimization technique in &lt;/EM&gt;&lt;A class="" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_programming" target=_blank mce_href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_programming"&gt;&lt;EM&gt;computer programming&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;EM&gt; to improve program runtime performance. In contrast to traditional optimization techniques that solely use the &lt;/EM&gt;&lt;A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code"&gt;&lt;EM&gt;source code&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;EM&gt;, PGO uses the results of test runs of the instrumented program to optimize the final generated code. The compiler is used to access data from a sample run of the program across a representative input set. The data indicates which areas of the program are executed more frequently, and which areas are executed less frequently. All optimizations benefit from profile-guided feedback because they are less reliant on &lt;/EM&gt;&lt;A class="" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic" target=_blank mce_href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic"&gt;&lt;EM&gt;heuristics&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;EM&gt; when making compilation decisions.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;H5&gt;&lt;U&gt;Adding PGO to the existing build process &lt;/U&gt;&lt;/H5&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;"I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." - Thomas Edison&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I had downloaded the source to the dependent libraries off the PHP wiki, checked out the &lt;A class="" href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/05/12/announcing-the-php-sdk-for-windows-azure.aspx" target=_blank mce_href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/05/12/announcing-the-php-sdk-for-windows-azure.aspx"&gt;PHP source code&lt;/A&gt;, and begun the process of adding in PGO support to the existing build process. This proved to be extremely difficult.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Even limiting the scope to just the core of PHP itself - without the dependent libraries - I ran into trouble trying to compile using PGO instrumentation and then re-linking after running some tests.&amp;nbsp; The make file that gets generated by the configure.js script (a JScript version of the automake configure script for the Windows platform) was just not built with what I had in mind. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I spent the better part of two weeks trying different approaches to tweaking the makefile so that I could use PGO to improve the &lt;A class="" href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/05/11/php-5-3-rc2-highly-optimized-for-windows.aspx" target=_blank mce_href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/05/11/php-5-3-rc2-highly-optimized-for-windows.aspx"&gt;PHP executable&lt;/A&gt;, but I kept running into roadblocks.&amp;nbsp; Worse, the closer I got to a makefile that did what I wanted, the farther away from the current build process I was getting, and I wasn't sure that what I would end up with would even be close to what was being built today. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;H5&gt;&lt;U&gt;The long dark winter road &lt;/U&gt;&lt;/H5&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;"Only the meek get pinched. The bold survive." - Ferris Bueller&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I came to the conclusion that I'd have to build new Visual Studio project files from scratch.&amp;nbsp; What worried me was that this would end up to be a completely different build process, and I'd never get the community to abandon what was already working, so I'd better be able to rebuild these new project files easily.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I started looking (inside Microsoft and out) for any tools which generated Visual C++ project files.&amp;nbsp; I found someone internally who had used some JScript to create project files from text files, but after some experimentation, I found this was nowhere near what I needed.&amp;nbsp; What I really needed was a way to convert the generated Makefile into a .vcproj file-and not just 'wrap' it. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Once I found there was no such tool* , I began trying to figure out how to create one. I had this idea a few times in the last decade or so: watch how a program is compiled, and create a project file that does the same thing. Having tossed around the idea in my head before, I knew it wasn't going to be trivial but, without it, I couldn't do what needed to be done. &lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;TD class="" vAlign=top&gt;&lt;EM&gt;* Let me tell you: you &lt;STRONG&gt;never&lt;/STRONG&gt; want to think about writing a tool to parse out what a makefile does.&amp;nbsp; It's rather like making a tool that tells you how sausage is made, in excruciating detail. Ugh.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;In Part III, I'll talk about the trouble with observing the build process.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://port25.technet.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=26189" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Interop/default.aspx">Interop</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Dynamic+Languages/default.aspx">Dynamic Languages</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Community/default.aspx">Community</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Open+Source/default.aspx">Open Source</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/_7E00_FeaturedPost/default.aspx">~FeaturedPost</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Garrett+Serack/default.aspx">Garrett Serack</category></item><item><title>Crafting a Better PHP Build Process on Windows – Part I</title><link>http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/06/09/optimizing-php-part-I.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:22:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">af7480c4-26b7-468d-87b0-2acebabb473d:26148</guid><dc:creator>Garrett Serack</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://port25.technet.com/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=26148</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/06/09/optimizing-php-part-I.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;The last several months, I've been working very deeply with PHP - specifically, compiling the PHP core itself, and looking for avenues for optimization. This is the first of four posts about the journey I've been on with PHP.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;H5&gt;&lt;U&gt;I get started building PHP&lt;/U&gt;&lt;/H5&gt;
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;/U&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;"It is a bad plan that admits of no modification" - Publilius Syrus &lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I started working with building PHP itself about a year ago. Initially, I was trying to put together an environment to compile up the PHP stack so that I could do some debugging, and track down a few faults that we were encountering in some of the PHP applications that we were trying to modify to use the &lt;A href="http://sql2k5php.codeplex.com/" target=_blank mce_href="http://sql2k5php.codeplex.com/"&gt;SQL Server PHP driver&lt;/A&gt; that the SQL Server team here at Microsoft was creating. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Once I began to work with the source code, I found out very quickly that on top of having a hard time recreating the exact same binaries that the community build process generated, there were a large number of dependent libraries that were available in &lt;STRONG&gt;binary-only&lt;/STRONG&gt; form and which were kept in a zip file that was passed around from developer to developer. That seemed a little odd for an open-source project, but I can certainly understand that over time, unless someone is working hard to keep it all together, these things happen. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Around the same time, the community had started to invest time and effort to 'clean up' the dependencies for building PHP on Windows, and move towards supporting VC9 (Visual Studio 2008) as an officially supported compiler. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In order to help in this process, I built out some testing environments in our Lab, which would let me compile up PHP on Windows and Linux, in order to get decent and reliable test results which we could use to identify any shortcomings that we could then address. This includes benchmarking not just the core PHP executable, but replicable and comparable testing of PHP applications such as Wordpress, MediaWiki, Gallery and phpBB. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;H5&gt;&lt;U&gt;PHP 5.3 on Windows: Not your father's PHP &lt;/U&gt;&lt;/H5&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;"I'm looking for a lot of men who have an infinite capacity to not know what can't be done." - Henry Ford &lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;For &lt;A href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/05/11/php-5-3-rc2-highly-optimized-for-windows.aspx" target=_blank mce_href="http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/05/11/php-5-3-rc2-highly-optimized-for-windows.aspx"&gt;PHP 5.3&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A href="http://blog.thepimp.net/" target=_blank mce_href="http://blog.thepimp.net/"&gt;Pierre&lt;/A&gt; (and others) had gone out and found up-to-date versions of all the dependencies, brought them together, and managed to get them compiling with VC6 and VC9.&amp;nbsp; They had posted these in binary and source form to the &lt;A href="http://wiki.php.net/internals/windows" target=_blank mce_href="http://wiki.php.net/internals/windows"&gt;PHP Windows Internals&lt;/A&gt; site, which allows anyone to rebuild the PHP stack on Windows and, theoretically, get the same results as the 'official' build. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Jumping in at that point was much easier than it had been, as all you had to do was download the binaries of the libraries, check out the source code, run a few commands at the command line and, &lt;STRONG&gt;presto,&lt;/STRONG&gt; you had your PHP executables.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;At this point Pierre and I played around with the build flags on VC9 and found some settings that gave some pretty significant improvements to the speed of PHP vs. the speed of the VC6 version -and a lot of speed improvements vs. the old 5.2x line of PHP. &lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;In Part II, I'll talk about going one step further with optimization.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://port25.technet.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=26148" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Dynamic+Languages/default.aspx">Dynamic Languages</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Community/default.aspx">Community</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/PHP/default.aspx">PHP</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Open+Source/default.aspx">Open Source</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/_7E00_FeaturedPost/default.aspx">~FeaturedPost</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Garrett+Serack/default.aspx">Garrett Serack</category></item><item><title>A funny thing happened on the way to ApacheCon</title><link>http://port25.technet.com/archive/2008/04/10/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-apachecon.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:20:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">af7480c4-26b7-468d-87b0-2acebabb473d:14905</guid><dc:creator>Garrett Serack</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://port25.technet.com/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=14905</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://port25.technet.com/archive/2008/04/10/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-apachecon.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;P&gt;Back in January, I invited the Apache Software Foundation to attend the Windows Server 2008 Application Compatibility Labs, here on our campus in Redmond.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The week that Apache was here, was so valuable for both groups--the product groups got to see and understand what some of the issues were that some of the Apache projects have run into, and the Apache folks were able to get their hands on the developers who built the system. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Myself and Bill Rowe had hammered out some details before I actually sent the invitation out. Along with posting it on some of the Apache Mailing Lists, I also posted the invitation on my own blog so that others could see what we're up to. And, as to be expected, there was a wide variety of comments posted--both positive, and ... less positive.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;My favorite though, was: &lt;EM&gt;"Microsoft should go to Apache developers and see if Windows Server 2008 works correctly with Apache, not the other way around."&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In some ways, that would have been somewhat impractical--when the Apache folks visited us, they had the opportunity to meet with engineers and program managers from many different groups, in addition to getting access to the hardware in the lab and the expertise of the folks who run that.&amp;nbsp; For us to pick up the 20 or so people from the product groups that they actually met with, and drag them all out to all the locations where Apache developers are--which is pretty much everywhere--would not have been possible&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Still, I felt it would be more than valuable for me to go ApacheCon, so that I had the opportunity to meet with Apache developers where they roam. When Bill was in Redmond, he invited me to the Apache Hackathon--the couple of days at the beginning of the conference that developers could hang out and code.&amp;nbsp; So, a snappy 10hr flight later, here I am at ApacheCon in Amsterdam.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The Apache Foundation is an interesting community--or rather community of communities.&amp;nbsp; It's not just one project (the http server is what most people think when they hear Apache), but literally dozens of top level projects, and a whole bunch more in the 'incubator' (where baby projects are cultivated until it is clear that it will have ongoing support and development).&amp;nbsp; The hackathon is just a large room with tables where folks can come in, sit down open their laptops and start coding. It's actually a lot quieter than I imagined it would be.&amp;nbsp; Naturally, the folks in communities tend to gravitate together and discuss their projects.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;As I'm not really on any project, I've been bouncing around chatting up different groups, getting their perspective of their own little chunk of Apache.&amp;nbsp; Most of the people I've talked to aren't surprised at all that I'm here--which is definitely a change from conferences a year ago--and are excited to hear about our efforts.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Now, for the funny thing.&amp;nbsp; I booked my hotel a few weeks back, using the internal travel system here at Microsoft.&amp;nbsp; The hotel that the conference is at was booked, so I looked for one nearby.&amp;nbsp; Unfortunately, the tool doesn't let me search for hotels near another hotel, and I didn't know what else was close that I could search near (and my inability to read Dutch didn't help), so I used the tool to show me where the hotels were, I'd switch to &lt;A href="http://local.live.com/"&gt;http://local.live.com&lt;/A&gt; and see how close it was, and if it was close, I'd switch to the other tool to check out the availability, and there was not much available. ... I guess I was distracted while I was doing it, and I ended up booking a hotel right next to the airport, which is in no way close to the conference, and so I spent the night in that hotel--and called the wonderful travel support folks who found me a hotel where I needed to be, and I moved there the next morning. Lesson learned: next time I travel to the Netherlands, I'm asking &lt;A class="" href="http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/heroes/hank.mspx" mce_href="http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/heroes/hank.mspx"&gt;Hank&lt;/A&gt; to find me a hotel. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://port25.technet.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=14905" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Community/default.aspx">Community</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Open+Source/default.aspx">Open Source</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/_7E00_FeaturedPost/default.aspx">~FeaturedPost</category><category domain="http://port25.technet.com/archive/tags/Garrett+Serack/default.aspx">Garrett Serack</category></item></channel></rss>