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Clarifications by billhilf on May 15, 2007 02:49PM

I have strong opinions.  Those of you who know me personally know that I am not one to "follow the herd" and that I speak up.  However, I need to comment on a recent story where I was quoted.

A few folks have emailed or called me about statements I said in the Bangkok Post about the ‘end of Linux’ and ‘there is no free software movement.’  My statements were shaped in a sensationalist way, not surprisingly, this isn’t the first time the press has used shock value to get headlines.  It then hit Slashdot and the blogosphere where a couple hundred people have called me every name under the sun.  I have a tough skin – need to in this job.  But days like this suck, to be honest.

I get asked Linux related questions from the press, most of which are probably obvious to you.  One of the questions I often get asked is about the development of Linux by free software developers.  I answer this by saying that most customers who use Linux, use a distribution like Red Hat or Ubuntu or SuSE and that although there are certainly a lot of developers who work for free, most of the people who do the daily work on the Linux kernel are paid to do so.  Typically they are paid by IT companies who have a commercial interest in Linux.  This isn’t FUD, it’s reality (Corbet from LWN did a great analysis of this here citing “at least 65% of the code which went into 2.6.20 was created by people working for companies”).  And I answer this question because I get asked about it in press interviews.

But I’m rethinking that last part.   Mostly because I don’t think it matters.  If the software is open, it’s open, that does not change based on who developed it or why.  In this article it sounds like I say ‘because they are paid, then free software is extinct!’ which, of course, is silly.  I know this and I think it’s a combination of me not being clear and this particular article shaping it in a certain direction.  But I’ll take the blame: I shoved my foot in my mouth and it came across as idiotic.

I will also use this blog entry to clarify our work in the Open Source Software Lab.  Here’s exactly what I tell my team, and the rest of Microsoft, on our strategy related to Linux and open source software:

-We compete with Linux and Unix servers with Windows server
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Many customers run a mix of servers in the same environment, so we’ll need to interoperate
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We want to grow the software ecosystem, including open source software, as it relates to Microsoft software

I believe that we can continue to compete with Red Hat or SuSE or Solaris for server business while we also work on interoperating and growing the software ecosystem.  I believe there is a lot we can do to grow an Open Source on Microsoft environment, realizing that sometimes we will simultaneously compete and collaborate.  It’s not schizophrenic, we work this way today with many other types of software, it’s the nature of being in a platform business and believing in choice.

I’m sure there’s also a lot of questions about the Fortune story on ‘Microsoft versus the Free world’ – more wonderful sensationalism – and I will write on that soon.

-Bill

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  1. posted at 06:22PM 05/15/2007
  2. norberto said:

    Bill, think in your heart, you must be quiet. All it's clear for me now. Press sensationalism has the responsibility of your own words.

    I'm sure you will be the next US President. Your clarifications are near Bush explanations about Iraq war.

    Once my grandmother said to me "First think, later speak".

    :D norberto

    posted at 03:02AM 05/16/2007
  3. jcannon said:

    Please, If you would like to comment on the Bangkok article, or Bill's blog - please keep it constructive, and less inciteful.

    posted at 05:10PM 05/16/2007
  4. By the way, on a slightly kinder note:  I have a certain amount of faith that, despite working for Microsoft, you're not a bad guy.  I would suggest that you, like all the other people-of-conscience I know who worked for Microsoft (I spent quite a few years at the U Dub) who recognised how their reputations were being sullied by their association with Microsoft, should resign on principle.  At least that way, you'll have a chance of rebuilding your personal legacy for posterity.  Microsoft's is already beyond salvation.

    Best of luck,

    Dave

    posted at 05:11PM 05/16/2007
  5. This comment should've preceded my one above, but was blocked due to "inciteful" content.  Here's a less "sensationalist" take on my comment:

    Hi Bill, I'm very sorry to hear that you've been done wrong by the media.  Funny how bad that feels, eh?  Amazing that, now, after all these years that Open Source/Free software has been maligned by Microsoft representatives providing "the Facts" on non-Microsoft technologies in the Microsoft-pandering media, that you're being dished some of your own bitter medicine.  

    Despite the massive advertising revenue that Microsoft pumps into the mass-IT-media, that same media seems to revel in Microsoft's "troubles" with duds like Vista (wait for the independent analyst reports on Microsoft's record sales) and those pitiful, and totally unsubstantiated claims on patent infringements by nasty old open source software.  

    Whatever vestiges of respect Microsoft might once have clung to have now well and truly evaporated.  Bill, how does it feel to work for a despicable corporation (and convicted criminal monopoly)?  

    Dave

    I've posted the original at http://davelane.name/node/25

    posted at 06:47PM 05/16/2007
  6. einhverfr said:

    I have watched media stories take many things out of context.

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    I am also someone who is as prepared to flame Microsoft as the next guy when I actually think they are wrong.

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    However, how can anyone here read the ludicrous statements in the Bangkok article an think that this represents the viewpoint of anyone in this industry?  I pretty much guarantee that this particular newspaper has misrepresented things in a way which is going to create problems for Microsoft.

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    I don't doubt that some of the statements (even some of the controversial ones) may have been a part of an interview.  But there is such a thing as lying by omission and some media organizations excel at this.

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    While I am sure you and I have our disagreements, Bill, I just want to thank you for your clarifications and offer some modicum of support.

    posted at 09:41PM 05/16/2007
  7. Γράφτηκαν πολλά τις τελευταίες ημέρες για ένα άρθρο του Fortune γύρω από την παραβίαση πατεντών και για

    posted at 05:31AM 05/17/2007
  8. Hi Bill.  I actually thought there were some good points in that article, and that like it or not, NOTHING you say is going to go without an unkind word from someone.  Hell, I've been less that professional on this board to you before, but you have always maintained a level of class and dignity that went above and beyond.

    I think the problem here is that you work for Microsoft.  You're guilty by association.  Most people can't believe that Microsoft actually has an Open Source Lab.  Even I have a hard time believing it sometimes, but I can attest to the fact that it exists, and you are dong great work.

    DISCLAIMER FOR THOSE : I am NOT an employee of Microsoft...I just have a lot of respect for Bill and his team.

    posted at 06:41PM 05/17/2007
  9. ohboy said:

    Well Bill, allmost feel sorry for you. You screwed up..badly. You are not bad a person in nature. It's just that your day job being to kill the criminal monoply's toughest competetive threat in its entire history makes you a bad person.

    Ah, I see, Microsoft's patent attack is also just sensationalism. Surely. A patent attack that has been anticipated for years. A patent attack that is basically the only tool, short of competing on the merits of its products, but who within Microsoft would want to bet on that one, boy that would something Microsft has never done before, it has left to crack this competitive nut. A patent attack of which the general feeling was that Microsoft would only launch it when a US style patent system was in place in the EU. But since the 'bribe-lobby-lobby-bribe-lobby-bribe-EU-patent-system.exe' MS installer crashed with a spectacular blue screen, MS could not aford to wait any longer and launched it anyway. Yep, just sensationalism. Well, Bill, you'd better spent the better part of the weekend in comimg up with some more spin, because it is going to be pretty hard to do some damage control, here.

    Boy, and you boys tried a few tools. Cancer, packman, eats your intelectual property away, un-american, communists, piracy, terrorists, threat to national security, threat to the global economy, the SCO fiaSCO (boy, I bet the guy who came up with that one wasn't fired but rather was served as hot dogs in the campus' restaurant) and, oh, the wonderfully succesful get the FUD campaign, that was brilliant. Oh, and there was this "we're reaching out to you, we want to be friends with you, we want to cooperate with you. You know what? We give you nothing and in return you relinquish yourself of your copyrights so that we can embrace, extend and extinquish your fine product. Now, how does that sound for a deal? Not bad, huh?". Oh.. and that bridgebuilding to the GPL, years of creativity it took you to build that bridge. Just a few sentences on paper and the loophole you where so damn proud of having found after all this years was plugged. Hugely sucessul that was. And now, that pesky Linux doesn't exist after all, and this patent attack.

    Isn't it lovely to observe that the speed with which Microsoft's attempts to kill Linux backfire? Every time Microsoft tries to stab Linux its little corporate arm swings back faster and faster at itself to inflict a gaping, bleeding wound on itself.

    I have an idea, Bill. I have an offer to make. It's a good one. How about that you just continue to try to get that dagger into Linux. Ok? As it little corporate arm swings back and swings back and keeps swinging back onto its little corporate torso, that alone will cause Microsoft to bleed to death. In the meantime Linux will help you in killing yourself by tightening its grip around your corporate throat. Microsoft is already beginning to look pale in the face and funny noises are beginning to come out of Microsoft's corporate mouth already. This is definitely an area where we can be of great help to you. We just squeze harder and harder and harder around your corporate throat until you look blue in the corporate face, until your oxygen supply is cut off. Microsoft likes that a lot, doesn't it?, oxygen supplies being cut off. That's why I think we can be a major value proposition to you in this area. Simultaniously Nelie  Kroes in Europe will twist and sqeuze your corporate testicles even harder until Microsoft is impotent. Now, that does sound good, huh?

    I have another idea Bill. Another good one. Since you claim to have 235 patent guns pointed at us, what do you think of the idea of taking all of your, 10.000, give or take a few, patent guns out. We are just going to rub out all of your 10000, or so, patents. One by one, nicely, and meticulously. We are going to take all of your guns out. Nice, huh?

    And the best thing is, you Microsoft helped is greatly in learning how to do this! Thank you, Microsoft for bringing us the SCO fiaSCO.

    You know, law.. the area you once thought the community was weak and you get it? Well this fiaSCO has made us strong, there. And we are going to make our Microsoft sponsered lessons to good use! Thanks again! One by one, your liitle patents are going out of the window! Haha!

    posted at 08:43PM 05/17/2007
  10. nektar said:

    In another post before you stated that most open source projects are written to run on Windows. However, a little bit of searching reveals that this is not the case and that mostly open source projects are Linux-only.

    If you want to enhanse the open source ecosystem on the Windows platform, as you say in this blog entry, then why don't you encourage more open source development on Windows by:

    1. Not attacking the open source community and threadening with patents.

    2. Including an enhansed version of the sub-system for Unix and Linux-based applications which would support all Linux apis in all versions of Windows, (not only in Vista Enterprise), facilidating running most open source applications natively on Windows. In other words, why force the community to port its applications to an alien (even enemy) platform?

    3. Even open sourcing the sub-system to enable community invlolvement from those who build the Linux apis themselves.

    4. Starting open source projects yourselves, even open sourcing some Microsoft applications which would be benefitial for developers. I am sure that not all ip is so valuable to be kept closed and I am sure that some of it would help to educate and even assist ISVs in their debugging work.

    5. Educating internally the company to use open source technologies and produce open source (with community involvements) applications/projects where is deamed useful, i.e. don't be afraid to use open source applications in your projects and don't be afraid to open source something that could assist ISVs and would be further improved by the community.

    Currently Microsoft is still afraid of open source creating two worlds: The open source world, backed by most large software and hardware companies and the Microsoft world, an integrated monolithic world with many partners but with many vocal enemies.

    posted at 06:09AM 05/18/2007