Mindedness - Port 25: The Open Source Community at Microsoft
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Mindedness by jcannon on August 14, 2006 12:00PM

Licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution License. Credit: James Duncan Davidson/O'Reilly MediaA couple weeks ago I was put in the ‘hot seat’ at the O’Reilly Radar Executive Briefing at OSCON in Portland.  Danese Cooper from Intel had a lineup of questions to ask and we had fun (really) discussing many of the issues about Microsoft and Open Source.  In his blog, Tim mentioned one of my quotes from this session about dealing with ‘close mindedness’ around the issues of Microsoft and OSS, as it’s something that I deal with daily.  Being on the hot seat answering these types of question and dealing with close mindedness is part of my job, I’m not complaining, but I did think it was worthwhile to expand on what I meant by this comment.

In 2 ½ years in this job, I’ve learned a lot.  But maybe one of the most interesting is related to the seemingly obvious fact that everyone has an opinion about Microsoft.  Good or Bad, but rarely indifferent – for what it’s worth, this is not common of most companies.   There are many reasons why this happens, of course, but it does introduce an opinionated, subjective element into every conversation I have. 

In many ways, this perspective (and bear with me here) is not unlike how many people feel about country music.  Most people have an opinion about country music – some love it, some hate it, but rarely do you find people who hear country music who don’t have an opinion one way or another.  Many people hear country music at some stage in their life and make a judgment call on country music forever – this happened to me with some really old recordings from Marty Robbins I heard on my Dad’s eight track player when I was six.  In a similar way, I meet people who view Microsoft through their experiences with NT 4.0 or even Windows 95 and assume that the products we have today must be the same as they experienced back then.  I realize people don’t think we still sell these specific older products today, but their perception is rooted in these product experiences.  Of course this happens with all sorts of things, not just music and technology, but it does build a ‘mindedness’ about the subject that is often dated and stale.

This is topical for me as I just returned from a trip to Montana where I attended my first country music concert.  Up to this point, I’ve been listening to Marty Robbins-era country on occasion, mostly Johnny Cash, so my perception about country music is behind the times to say the least.  Sure, I’ve heard country now and again, but not really listened to anything recently.  So sitting in this concert at the Montana State Fair in Great Falls, listening to a present day country star, Trace Adkins, I realized a lot has changed.  Sure, there’s still the hat, boots and giant belt buckle thing, but the music has changed – lots more pop, rock and of course more contemporary lyrics.

Back to the initial ‘close mindedness’ issue.  The issue I typically face is one of perception, typically a historically based perception.  I’m talking about perceptions of both Microsoft and open source software here, and both external and internal to Microsoft.  Sure, I realize there’s always history, good and bad and indifferent, but in some of my conversations, I hear a lot of opinion based on rather old experiences.  IMHO, what really helps progress any conversation is taking this historical experience with a complete and open minded understanding of the present day and then making an assessment – good, bad, or indifferent. 
 
What we’re trying to do with Port 25 is to bring some contemporary insights into what Microsoft is doing in OSS.  I’m also hoping it allows people to take a look at our software overall, to see what we’re building and why (if you pull the ‘port25’ off the technet.com url you can find a load of useful Microsoft technical information, including software downloads and howtos).  We’re a commercial software company and we strive to build great products – sounds like marketing and it is, because we’re proud of what we do.  So you may see some hats and boots here and there but you’ll also probably hear some rock and roll in the music now too.   And I’m not here to sell you.  You may decide you don’t like our music, and that’s fine, because what I’m hoping for is a more accurate, up to date perspective so that the conversations and mindedness can strive to be more open and more productive.  This is my approach both externally and internally, and about both Microsoft software and open source software. 

Changing perceptions is challenging but important.  And it takes time.  For me, I’m attending my next country music concert this week here in Seattle, Tim McGraw and Faith Hill.  Although it’s certainly not Marty Robbins or Johnny Cash, I’m starting to appreciate the changed genre.  Just don’t expect to see me wearing giant belt buckles anytime soon.

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  1. Dude, if you really think that the !Microsoft Community's distrust and wariness of Microsoft is based on unchanged experiences from 95 and NT 4, then you are, to put a point on it, really, astonishingly, nay, *astoundingly* ignorant of how the rest of the world views Microsoft *and why*.

    I was THRILLED to dump both NT 4 and 95, and given a choice, I'd root out the last remaining users of those OSen and happily replace them with XP and Server 2003 where appropriate.

    But trust me, my continuing distrust of the Windows side of Microsoft is based on your *current* record. Really. When you go a couple years without some of the stuff I see continually today, then I'll see about changing how I see things. But until I get new facts, don't expect new opinions.

    posted at 08:33PM 08/14/2006
  2. Rbyrd said:

    Microsoft is definately a topic of conversation. I do not think OSS is the answer; especially not if it means sharing the code for internal and secure working of an operating system(s). It cost companies a lot of money, resources and time to develop the products they sell not just Microsoft either. Someone thinks they give away the code or open up their code you mean open to theft so someone else can create from it or learn from it and make a profit from it? how secure can this anything OSS be anyway. I'm against on almost all fronts. I am happy to use and support Microsoft products. I can definately say XP & 2003 are leading the field and I use and support both at work.

    posted at 12:08PM 08/15/2006
  3. Port 25 said:

    I&rsquo;ve been surrounded by people who want to study us like bugs&mdash;and they intend that as a compliment.I

    posted at 06:35PM 08/16/2006
  4. Rbyrd: to answer your concerns about Free/Open Source Software and security, in two words - OpenBSD, Martus. Take a look at those two software packages, and then you might have something useful to say on the matter. Country music? I grew up listening to Country Gospel - "Oh Lord, oh Lord, I'm just a-passing through. \ If Heaven's not my home, then Lord, what will I do?" The only reason I've found for listening to modern Country music is the Dixie Chicks - I loved Poco's Country Rock, but then, I was trying to learn the Pedal Steel at the time: "Short Changed \ I got to hand it to you \ Bloodstained \ My hands were tied 'cause of you". I find it interesting though, when changing topic to Microsoft and "mindedness", that NT 4.0 was mostly famous for inopportune hangs and crashes. XP is famous for having the security quality of wet tissue paper. Win2k was famous for the publically-available bug-count at the time it was released. I'm willing to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt, though, and the message has slowly been getting through. The real irony is that in the process of its early-nineties ascendancy, it did some things very right - there is at least one piece of software I have seen, where the programmer in his README says that in response to Microsoft's generosity in giving free access to its programming knowledge, he was placing this particular program in the public domain in the hope that others would join him and they would build up a collection of useful reusable Windows software. That perception changed quite quickly, once Microsoft had built itself an "impregnable" position. Microsoft has been making some effort to change lately, though, I will grant you that. "In just a few hours we'll cross that wide desert \ We've still got a long way to go".

    posted at 10:08PM 08/16/2006
  5. Bill,

    First of all, I'm amazed that you'd show up to OSCON.  I applaud you for your willingness to go and get put on the hot seat.  That's a dangerous thing to do at OSCON.  Unfortunately though, I'm afraid that jwelch (above) is accurate in his statements.  The distrust is based on PAST YEARS and CURRENT Microsoft business practices.  

    I think Port25 is a great thing.  I think that Open Source at Microsoft is a great thing.  I have switched from a Linux laptop back to WindowsXP, but I use a ton of Open Source utilities and Firefox because of what I can do with it.  Until Linux offers what Windows offers on the desktop, I'll stick with Windows.  On the server front...I use both Linux and Windows, because I think both have their strong points and advantages.  Linux, because I can run a ton of Open Source apps and have much higher transaction processing that Windows can do.  I run my web servers on Linux with Apache.  For my streaming media needs however, I use Server 2003.  Helix on Linux is good, but it isn't as good as the streaming content that Windows can provide, and when that is your bread and butter, you use what works best.  

    posted at 08:34PM 08/30/2006
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