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1. CyberSongs said:

   Stupid Security.
   
   Because of the default settings of the Data Execution Prevention [DEP] schema and Distributed Component Object Model [DCOM], the first role assigned to the first server, that of a Domain Controller [DC] and more specifically a Primary Domain Controller [PDC], instantly breaks port 25.
   
   It also breaks all other software, including the nVidia drivers and their Apache web interface.  For a normal web site using Apache, moving the web site to a new directory instantly breaks that web site.
   
   And there is no current documentation on why this is so nor what to do about it.
   
   I have met more than one Unix/Linux/Windows guru over a very long time, even before any of the three existed, so they say, anyway, but this fork in the road at 64-bit hardware and software for the personal computer, particularly Microsoft Windows, seems to be invisible to them all.
   
   The fork happens to be that any attempted migration to Windows, or co-existence with former Unix/Linux networks, is a time and money consuming event which, by our own experience, is taking months of manhours.  That means loads of money!  And I, like most businessmen, don't care who's an expert, I want to know why this happened and what Micrsoft intends to do to fix it.
   
   I can show them how to fix it, and how the Execution Bit and the Code Segment Tag Bits are designed to work, having been one of the designers, but not if their communications is "one-way."
   
   So, if you can't reach me by email, remember this: it's Microsoft's guru's fault.
   
   CyberSongs
   ID   1616946
   
   Look me up and drop a line there.  This needs to be documented and fixed.
   

   posted at 03:02AM 06/26/2006
2. jdzions said:

   Fascinating. I installed a DC in my house, on a 64-bit system with DEP... Apache still works. Telnet still works. My nVidia drivers still work.
   
   Can we get just a weeee bit more detail about the problem you claim exists here?
   
   Getting HP-UX to co-exist with AIX is a time and money consuming event. Who's to blame - HP, or IBM? Good luck with that one.
   
   If you, as a businessman, "don't care who's an expert", then I really don't want to ask what business you're in, since I'd want to sell your stock short. You'd better be hiring UNIX experts, or Windows experts, to run your UNIX or Windows systems. If you don't hire professionals, you don't get professional results.
   
   (I am continually boggled by customers who complain that their UNIX admins are "so much more professional" than their Windows admins. It is nearly universal amongst these complainers that their UNIX admins are professional admins with degrees and significant investment in continuing education; their Windows admins are former accountants or came from some other non-technical role, have no IT/CompSci/DP degree, and have had little training.)

   posted at 06:09PM 06/26/2006
3. fluke said:

   The transcripts are of little value due to Port 25's Terms of Use.  Quoting the material (even in a Port 25 post) would violate the requirement that Port 25 documents "will not be copied or posted on any network computer."  Fixing up indirect references (such as replacing "it" with "[Windows]" or "us" with "[Port 25]") would violate the requirement that "no modifications of any Documents are made."
   
   While the target community for Port 25 is a group that is used to working with documents provided under Creative Commons or similar licenses, the actual terms for using the Port 25 transcripts suggests a "catheral" method of "discussion" instead of the "bazaar."
   
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   CyberSongs: I would have to agree with JDZ on this one.  For someone claiming to be involved in the design of the NX bit, you sure leave a lot of information needed to troubleshooting out of your post.  There are also other forums that are better at providing help for your problem than Port 25.  It seems like the purpose of your post is to build up to the claim "Microsoft's guru fault" in which case your post seems only to prove that your continuing to expierence problems because your failing to take advantages of proper troubleshooting methods and forums.
   
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   jdzions:
   Are you using Win 2k3 SP1 x64 or Vista at home?
   
   I did not find getting HP-UX to co-exist with AIX to be time consuming.  Contact IBM regarding getting "DSMIT" so that you can put the blame for co-existing on IBM.  Also, our IBM pServer reseller (in our case it was source1inc.com) was great at making the finger pointing stop and getting us in touch with someone that would take responsiblity for seeing us through any problem.
   
   I take the arguement of UNIX admin vs. Windows admins with a grain of salt.  What boggles me is the HR departments that give certified multiple-guess jockies the same or higher value over someone with a 4-year CS degree.  But I guess it is the better of two evil to have former Arthur Andersen employees handling MMC instead of handling fraud for the next Enron.
   

   posted at 01:00PM 06/27/2006
4. Rishi said:

   Hope you post better as like these posted contents and technical informations.

   Thanks.

   posted at 09:18AM 02/16/2008