Port 25 - Communications from the open source community at Microsoft

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1. jwelch@bynkii.com said:

   Okay, so it takes something like TEN SCREENS to get to where I discover that the download is non-functional in Safari.
   
   Could you make downloading this any more complicated? You know, maybe a quiz, a maze game, something involving timed keypresses, and oh, I know, LATIN. Do the WHOLE SITE IN LATIN.
   
   I'm trying it in Firefox. But I am now absolutely convinced that it is simply impossible for Microsoft to do anything in a clear, simple, concise manner. I imagine it's a good thing you weren't around when the  Wright Brothers were making the first airplane, or we'd still be waiting.
   
   <sigh>, Firefox isn't working either. In case anyone cares, the crap I get in Safari is at the bottom of the page.
   
   I know you love your complicated-assed procedures with dropdowns and click on the menu on the left, and autostart the download...but here's a thought:
   
   login with passport
   list of programs
   Pick the program
   Apply link
   fill out form
   look, DOWNLOAD URLS that link DIRECTLY TO THE FILE
   
   I know it's too simple, but maybe we could think about it? It shouldn't take as many clicks as it does, unless this is just "jobs for Interns" time.
   
   here's what I get instead of a zipfile download:
   
   STYPE=2&AuthData=dfd4b21cfb0110cec8ac080666c88d302a47747d022685fb033f18afedf2c8c781e99bf1d755b440caf1efb53b98e5cbd36823905cdd7f9594d6b473ddea6c90290b42120367c93c4b7ca529c7c8e0837e7191e6dc94a3883b9e&HASH=c8f5738d&VERSION=5,0,0,26
   TS=216E7FC3-A00C-48A9-B2D4-16AB4DAD9864&STYPE=0&MN=1748683734&EK=5646958509d4328d72ba1393758fd075&SVRN=fp-tk2.ds.microsoft.com&DLL=/TransferFile/FileTransfer.dll&PORT=443&MODE=1&SVRT=3&TTL=Windows%20Security%20and%20Directory%20Services%20for%20UNIX%20Guide%20v1.0%20Beta&Dir=1&ERR=1&SRD=srd.ds.microsoft.com&TGT=&TGN=&SZ=5923370&MSE=1&FERR=2
   TS=F672A64E-F007-4C20-B619-32C47275DDAF&STYPE=1&TGT=Windows%20Security%20and%20Directory%20Services%20for%20UNIX%20Guide%20v1.0%20Beta%5C&TGN=WSDSUv1.0beta.zip&ALT=fp-tk2.ds.microsoft.com&SZ=5923370&MDATE=2006-04-11T02:29:00&CRC=5727caae&SHA1=fb0056e5bacc0c73e5d2703faef578a9e0f3932c
   
   

   posted at 04:26PM 05/12/2006
2. jdzions said:

   Here's a radical thought. It's a beta. Try using IE juuuuust long enough to download the files. Bear in mind they're word docs.
   
   Having said that, I've passed your issue along to the PM who owns the project and asked him to look into it. I can't guarantee anything, since https://connect.microsoft.com isn't run by my team and has to serve a vastly larger constituency than the one WSDSU is aimed at, but we'll do the best we can.
   
   Just in case it makes a difference, can you tell us the versions of Firefox and Safari you're using?

   posted at 04:45PM 05/12/2006
3. jwelch@bynkii.com said:

   Here's a thought...for me to use IE requires me to boot Windows on another box, boot Windows in Virtual PC, or remember to do this in IE 7 on my test box I RDP into.
   
   As well, is the connect.microsoft.com site in a beta? Is IIS in beta? Is there some "Only download to IE 6 or greater on Windows" switch set? Because it's fuxx0r3d in Firefox on OS X too.
   
   See, I had this ODD idea, and okay, I know it's just SILLY, but I thought, and this is just hiLARious, that the *beta* part was the Windows Security and Directory Services for Unix parts. I actually, oh my, I'm having quite a chuckle at my own naiveté, I actually thought that the WEB SITE for the betas was NOT a beta, and would work CORRECTLY in downloading a FILE to a browser running on a UNIX-based OS.
   
   Oh my, is that not a thigh-slapper? How I do go on sometimes.

   posted at 10:50PM 05/12/2006
4. jwelch@bynkii.com said:

   Oh, yes, I DO hope they'll open in my copy of *Microsoft Word*.
   
   Unless they're beta Word 2007 docs with a beta of the IRM stuff from Office 2007 on them, and only work in Vista?
   
   

   posted at 09:23AM 05/13/2006
5. Richard said:

   I presume that the curent beta documentation will be updated for Windows 2003 R2 before final publication.
   
   So far looks good

   posted at 11:01AM 05/13/2006
6. ramzes said:

   I agree with everything jwelch@bynkii.com has said in his previous comments. I run Gentoo Linux, and id doesn't open nor in Firefox, nor in Epiphany, I'm too lazy to try Opera.
   
   Ah... well... I shouldn't have lost these 10 minutes of my life, clicking to something that probably ain't worth it. Plus maybe that MS Word document won't open in my OpenOffice...

   posted at 08:36AM 05/15/2006
7. rjdohnert said:

   He is using Safari which means he is on Mac OS X.  Works fine on Firefox on Windows 2000.  Interesting stuff.
   
   " Here's a radical thought. It's a beta. Try using IE juuuuust long enough to download the files. Bear in mind they're word docs.
   
   Having said that, I've passed your issue along to the PM who owns the project and asked him to look into it. I can't guarantee anything, since https://connect.microsoft.com isn't run by my team and has to serve a vastly larger constituency than the one WSDSU is aimed at, but we'll do the best we can.
   
   Just in case it makes a difference, can you tell us the versions of Firefox and Safari you're using?"

   posted at 07:12PM 05/15/2006
8. rjdohnert said:

   The interesting part is the paper is not in .doc format but in PDF format.
   
   " Ah... well... I shouldn't have lost these 10 minutes of my life, clicking to something that probably ain't worth it. Plus maybe that MS Word document won't open in my OpenOffice..."

   posted at 07:16PM 05/15/2006
9. rjdohnert said:

   Excuse me the main page is PDF under the Volume Chapters folders those are .doc's and yes they open in Openoffice and Pages.  John's problem is there is no File Transfer Manager for Mac OS X, its only for Windows.

   posted at 07:35PM 05/15/2006
10. jwelch@bynkii.com said:

    It didn't work for me in Firefox 1.5.0.3 either.
    
    There's no need for a File Transfer Manager, unless some PM staked his review on such a silly waste of time. Here's an idea that seems to have worked well since about 1994 or so:
    
    Link to the file, and let the server and the browser deal with it in a simple, efficient manner.
    
    "File Transfer Managers" and other such ilk are just committees giving into their genetic need to kill simplicity and clarity wherever it may be found. There's nothing that any silly File Transfer Mangler is going to do one lick better than whatever file transfer management mechanism every modern browser has already.
    
    and you wonder why people think Microsoft can't ever get anything right.

    posted at 10:01PM 05/15/2006

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