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Who would have guessed? by admin on March 31, 2006 06:59AM

Who would have guessed?

A sincere thank you for all the excitement and feedback since we launched Port25 last week. We’ve had a tremendous response and the conversation has been lively to say the least.

There have been hundreds of blog posts and hundreds of emails sent – both through the feedback aliases and many that you have sent directly to me. There have been rants, demands, questions, encouragement, suspicion, affirmation, ideas, pontifications and guidance. There are many of you who gave us technical advice (such as video formats) that was valuable and we’re making those changes – thank you for this input. Many of you have asked about the signal-to-noise ratio, and some of you have commented on this to me both on the blog and privately. I was pretty adamant about keeping the blog post system wide open to start, and introduce a registration system if you wanted us to. We’ve heard this loud and clear, and we’re looking into this now.

Let me clarify some things and hopefully set some expectations. Our goal with Port 25 is to have a community discussion on people working with OSS and Microsoft software. Many of you who know me, know that I’m a no BS type of guy and I’ve spent many years answering the 3am pager calls when problems arise in the data center. At 3am, there’s not a lot of interest in technology dogma and rhetoric. I’m now officially a PHB (hair withstanding) and although I don’t carry the pager, I haven’t lost this core principle. I understand there is going to be philosophy and zealotry, and that’s why I titled this ‘Who would have guessed?', but the work our team does in the OSS research lab is heavily oriented around trying to understand and help real customer interoperability. So this is the type of discussion that you'll hear from us, more than trying to answer why Microsoft doesn't give away all its software for free, etc.

This does not mean we won’t discuss the issues, we will, but I wanted to explain our intent and hopefully the community that grows here will be able to focus on productive and progressive technical discussions. I’m sure there are options out there on the Web for those who want to bash Microsoft, or dream up yet another conspiracy theory, but our goal here is to evolve and to hopefully provide information that makes it easier for people using OSS and Microsoft software in the real world.

So what’s next? Sam and Kishi have a variety of topics on deck for discussion and we’re going to be diving into more analysis as well as new profiles on other folks we find interesting at Microsoft. I’ll be blogging soon on a few of my experiences in open source software over the past twelve years, particularly looking to start conversations with you about your approaches and thoughts on these subjects. Also, I’ll talk about conversations I have with customers around the world on what interoperability issues they are interested in discussing. I’m thinking my next blog post should be about the talk I gave at Linux World Boston last week, and some of the ideas on interoperability I shared there. If you'd like to keep track of when we're adding new content to the site, please subscribe to our RSS feed on the home page.

Again, a sincere thank you and I look forward to seeing this community grow. And for the curious, my Russian is very, very rusty.

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  1. I'm glad to see Microsoft taking interest in interoperability. There are many open source projects that I'd like to see able to authenticate against AD. Work in that area would be priceless for me. Most open source products don't mess with this with any kind of serious attention so the path is often a real mess. Some just need directions published for it and others need some hacking on the code.

    I hope an open source project would be willing to accept a quality patch from Microsoft to allow interoperability, though I'm a bit at doubt. Have you guys thought about contributing code to projects like Jabber for AD intergration?

    posted at 03:18PM 04/11/2006
  2. Bob_Robertson said:

    No need to contribute code. Just publish the specifications so that Samba et.al. don't have to reverse engineer by packet sniffing and trial-and-error.

    posted at 03:35PM 04/11/2006
  3. Xenu said:

    As a reminder:

    In 2000 Sun initiated the well-known European Commission enquiry (that saw MS fined 497 million euros) because Microsoft "had refused to provide interface information necessary for Sun to be able to develop products that could interface with Windows PCs, and so was unable to compete on an equal footing in the market for work group servers".

    Here is what MS responded :

    "Sun's complaint is based on their desire to gain access to our technical trade secrets. We don't believe that the law requires Microsoft, or any other company, to share its secrets with direct competitors. Every company should be able to choose the partners with which it collaborates. We are very disappointed by Sun's continued effort to use government intervention to overcome the fact that Microsoft's products are outperforming theirs in the marketplace, and for one-third of the cost. We continue to believe that the place to compete is in the market not in the courts, " said John Frank, Director of Law and Corporate Affairs at Microsoft EMEA.

    posted at 06:16PM 04/11/2006
  4. V said:

    @ Xenu
    Oh man..... you just the nail on the head. Bill Hilf - I cannot imagine what you are going to do here to help us all out. I am keeping an open mind currently, but you need to show some proof....some EVIDENCE of wanting to help the community, otherwise, what is the point?  I am not hopeful......but we shall see, shan't we?

    V

    posted at 06:32PM 04/11/2006
  5. Bill Gate said:

    "Our goal with Port 25 is to have a community discussion on people working with OSS and Microsoft software"

    look i wasnt born yesterday you know!!

    architect@quickbasic-quickc-quickpascal.com

    posted at 06:38PM 04/11/2006
  6. somebody said:

    Can you imagine a PC/Server/Embedded operating system from start to finish, with MS completely left out of the loop?

    This isn't Mac, there is no 100M MS non-voting stock buy in. There is no MS office for this platform.

    There is no way to collect tax.

    This lab is most likely to try to tap into the money cycle that they are firmly locked out of at this time. The high ups at microsoft can not bare that they have been completely circumvented.

    This lab is not cheap, nor free for Microsoft(nor do I believe it's for some kind of FOSS development at all). At the point where Linux does start to take significant market share on the Desktop, all the research these guys are doing is going to start kicking in for some locked up commercial integration into the system.

    They are no doubt collecting data for the inevitable. The question is, should we help them? I'm not going to.

    posted at 08:16PM 04/11/2006
  7. Tama said:

    Once you can have a complete Microsoft Free Network.. where will Microsoft get there money?

    Thats the real question there asking. They want to intergrate themselfs into the Linux network, so there will be no 'Microsoft Free Network'

    posted at 10:23PM 04/11/2006
  8. Greg Va*** said:

    I fail to understand how Microsoft can help the Open Source community more than it (OSS) can help itself. Most Open Source Projects have forums, wikis, irc channels and mailing lists to help their users out. Who else is better to ask for help than ones who created the software?

    posted at 12:13AM 04/12/2006
  9. Azizi said:

    Microsoft and Opensource!!!!!
    i can't believe it.
    i just want to say, microsoft, there is no need for you to be open source, just don't close the other sources, please :-)

    posted at 01:35AM 04/12/2006
  10. somebody said:

    "I fail to understand how Microsoft can help the Open Source community more than it (OSS) can help itself."

    Micro$oft never gets involved to help others, they get involved to help themselves. We have to satisfy ourselves knowing that they wasted all this time and money on this lab and paying these fine employees.

    posted at 01:39AM 04/12/2006
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